I don't think shame in the right amounts is a negative emotion. I mean, Trump is a representation of what you get, when you have absolutely no shame. That can't be desireable either. Shame does have a healthy middle.
And as someone who values honesty and fairplay ethics, Trump is such an obviously bad choice for a president, even if I'd be leaning towards the conservative end of the spectrum. I feel like the democratic process doesn't have any value to Americans anymore. Fucking tribe thinking.
I get it but... As someone fond of probability thinking, isn't it incredibly dangerous to give such an unstable narcissist the nuclear codes? Non zero possibility someone disrespects him and he just loses it completely. And I know you are a Musk fan but I really think he's seriously lost it as well, and will be given plenty of influence. So from my perspective, not looking at all good.
Also no mention that Putin and Netanyahu will be given a free hand to do whatever they want from now on (which is why they both backed Trump heavily). Saying that one is at peace with the result seems to be disregarding the larger picture somewhat, which is pretty worrying.
please don’t homogenize “the left”. not a monolith, very many leftists are distinguishable from liberals/social-democrats, very many aren’t woke the way the democratic party/urban monoculture dictates that memeplex.
we don’t know what he’ll actually do. i’d be wary with premature stances like ‘contentment’. it’s plenty reasonable to expect not just regressive, negative-sum policies and worsening the meta poly whateverthefuck crises, but ripple effects eg. actual open fascistic groups organizing with renewed gusto, in & outside US. many trump supporters are far less intellectually able than you and your group. i know some personally; cognitively addlepated, proudly, aggressively ignorant, abusive people with burning fascist passions, enjoying when they can humiliate and make ‘others’ suffer. close personal experience, sadly, and i know that this profile isn’t an outlier.
it’s ridiculous that you identified the “soul” of the US, but i know that you actually willing to believe in souls, in the ‘something more and different’. don't hide that, don't use euphemisms for trump’s behavior, take responsibility for your views. don't be ashamed for not having a nuanced, historically informed view about wokeness and leftist philosophy. embrace your stances without the annoying rhetoric and rather just don’t say stuff if you know that you’re ignorant and biased and SO want to insert your ‘opinion’. you fail the schmachtenberger filter and you know it.
it's just a joke, suggeesting that often, the content liv shares or makes is of the kind that feeds moloch; clearly partisan and/or not intellectually honest scout mindset.
Really enjoyed this hungover read Liv, I must admit I feel similar and have lost so much faith in any western leader or politician since Angela Merkel. Extremely politically apathetic right now.
yeah the orange balloon man is awful, but he isnt the major problem - its the Christian Nationalists that were deeply instrumental in getting him back in power that we should be worried about - they are a death cult who now have access to nukes. good luck to us all lol
I still worry that using his first term as a basis for any prognosis on his second term—one that will likely have few, if any, of the guardrails in place during the first— way too optimistic. Take just one of those guardrails: without Mike Pence, January 2020 could have played out very differently…
I would encourage anyone to read Jared Kushner’s autobiography, Breaking History, about his time in the Whitehouse - changed my perspective about what goes on behind the scenes.
Trump is definitely the better outcome for common sense hard work and no wars. Any government that gives people a sense of it’s worthwhile and does not purposefully encourage sex gender confusion ( different to freedom of choice later on in life) young children at school. Just look at the damage done in last 4 yrs…
Dr David Hawkins map of human consciousness is an extremely interesting and relevant book.
While we can be enticed into a dualistic view point we still have a way to go …. sending love to ALL
The above our opinions which at the end of the day is all they are. 99 % of US would want the same thing at the core of our being…love / connection to ALL
Shame is either the feeling of being judged unfairly, using criteria that don't demonstrate one's "real" value, or the feeling of being judged to be unfit from the perspective of a culture.
Which, when internalised, presents as hatred of others for their unfair judgement and/or hatred of the self for perceived insufficiency.
For which the cure is to either deny any opportunity for judgement, or work to improve to gain approval.
This becomes more complicated when there are fundamental differences, so that one party is seen as unfit to judge the other.
Which would explain some of the woke left's motivations, I think. It's almost like some small personal flaw elevated to the level of a group and enshrined because it provided a competitive advantage.
* Most charts that go from good to bad or low to high tend to be opinionated, by the way. It's about balance and being context-appropriate, imho. Safer to start with the assumption that all evolved behaviours each have their proper niche. Pride is beter than humility when there are more things to fix than to break.
Note that shame can motivate improvement to gain approval, or differentiation to deny judgement, which can then turn into pride (which can equally be used against others).
It's like a cycle within an organism, trying to stay balanced in itself and its environment.
Note also that taking a small personal flaw and elevating it to the level of the group may mean taking only those dimensions of a person that provide advantages at the group level, while at the level of the person there may be other moderating influences, both within the individual as well as in their environment, that balance out those "flaws". In which case, the person really is being "judged unfairly by the culture".
Like making a bad analogy, applying abstraction improperly.
Pride may build things where humility would waste opportunity, but there are also things you can't fix after you break them. Both are tough lessons to learn.
I don't think shame in the right amounts is a negative emotion. I mean, Trump is a representation of what you get, when you have absolutely no shame. That can't be desireable either. Shame does have a healthy middle.
And as someone who values honesty and fairplay ethics, Trump is such an obviously bad choice for a president, even if I'd be leaning towards the conservative end of the spectrum. I feel like the democratic process doesn't have any value to Americans anymore. Fucking tribe thinking.
so fuckin rad, love this, thanks :) :) :)
Good post! I totally agree.
You are a formidable intellect and your ability to reason the world is incredibly impressive.
I get it but... As someone fond of probability thinking, isn't it incredibly dangerous to give such an unstable narcissist the nuclear codes? Non zero possibility someone disrespects him and he just loses it completely. And I know you are a Musk fan but I really think he's seriously lost it as well, and will be given plenty of influence. So from my perspective, not looking at all good.
Also no mention that Putin and Netanyahu will be given a free hand to do whatever they want from now on (which is why they both backed Trump heavily). Saying that one is at peace with the result seems to be disregarding the larger picture somewhat, which is pretty worrying.
please don’t homogenize “the left”. not a monolith, very many leftists are distinguishable from liberals/social-democrats, very many aren’t woke the way the democratic party/urban monoculture dictates that memeplex.
we don’t know what he’ll actually do. i’d be wary with premature stances like ‘contentment’. it’s plenty reasonable to expect not just regressive, negative-sum policies and worsening the meta poly whateverthefuck crises, but ripple effects eg. actual open fascistic groups organizing with renewed gusto, in & outside US. many trump supporters are far less intellectually able than you and your group. i know some personally; cognitively addlepated, proudly, aggressively ignorant, abusive people with burning fascist passions, enjoying when they can humiliate and make ‘others’ suffer. close personal experience, sadly, and i know that this profile isn’t an outlier.
it’s ridiculous that you identified the “soul” of the US, but i know that you actually willing to believe in souls, in the ‘something more and different’. don't hide that, don't use euphemisms for trump’s behavior, take responsibility for your views. don't be ashamed for not having a nuanced, historically informed view about wokeness and leftist philosophy. embrace your stances without the annoying rhetoric and rather just don’t say stuff if you know that you’re ignorant and biased and SO want to insert your ‘opinion’. you fail the schmachtenberger filter and you know it.
Hey, i agree with everything you said, and am a big fan of Daniel, but what is this filter of his that you mentioned?
it's just a joke, suggeesting that often, the content liv shares or makes is of the kind that feeds moloch; clearly partisan and/or not intellectually honest scout mindset.
Really enjoyed this hungover read Liv, I must admit I feel similar and have lost so much faith in any western leader or politician since Angela Merkel. Extremely politically apathetic right now.
yeah the orange balloon man is awful, but he isnt the major problem - its the Christian Nationalists that were deeply instrumental in getting him back in power that we should be worried about - they are a death cult who now have access to nukes. good luck to us all lol
What if alt hist has a few great videos on the core emotions that various societies are based on. Shame, guilt, fear, envy, etc.
But yeah, ordinal stacks of emotions can be... Helpful
Good to see a rational, positive take on this.
I still worry that using his first term as a basis for any prognosis on his second term—one that will likely have few, if any, of the guardrails in place during the first— way too optimistic. Take just one of those guardrails: without Mike Pence, January 2020 could have played out very differently…
I would encourage anyone to read Jared Kushner’s autobiography, Breaking History, about his time in the Whitehouse - changed my perspective about what goes on behind the scenes.
Trump is definitely the better outcome for common sense hard work and no wars. Any government that gives people a sense of it’s worthwhile and does not purposefully encourage sex gender confusion ( different to freedom of choice later on in life) young children at school. Just look at the damage done in last 4 yrs…
Dr David Hawkins map of human consciousness is an extremely interesting and relevant book.
While we can be enticed into a dualistic view point we still have a way to go …. sending love to ALL
The above our opinions which at the end of the day is all they are. 99 % of US would want the same thing at the core of our being…love / connection to ALL
Shame is either the feeling of being judged unfairly, using criteria that don't demonstrate one's "real" value, or the feeling of being judged to be unfit from the perspective of a culture.
Which, when internalised, presents as hatred of others for their unfair judgement and/or hatred of the self for perceived insufficiency.
For which the cure is to either deny any opportunity for judgement, or work to improve to gain approval.
This becomes more complicated when there are fundamental differences, so that one party is seen as unfit to judge the other.
Which would explain some of the woke left's motivations, I think. It's almost like some small personal flaw elevated to the level of a group and enshrined because it provided a competitive advantage.
* Most charts that go from good to bad or low to high tend to be opinionated, by the way. It's about balance and being context-appropriate, imho. Safer to start with the assumption that all evolved behaviours each have their proper niche. Pride is beter than humility when there are more things to fix than to break.
Note that shame can motivate improvement to gain approval, or differentiation to deny judgement, which can then turn into pride (which can equally be used against others).
It's like a cycle within an organism, trying to stay balanced in itself and its environment.
Note also that taking a small personal flaw and elevating it to the level of the group may mean taking only those dimensions of a person that provide advantages at the group level, while at the level of the person there may be other moderating influences, both within the individual as well as in their environment, that balance out those "flaws". In which case, the person really is being "judged unfairly by the culture".
Like making a bad analogy, applying abstraction improperly.
In terms of "which is better".
Pride may build things where humility would waste opportunity, but there are also things you can't fix after you break them. Both are tough lessons to learn.